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Genaro Bonilla:

is there anything specific you do when the system crashes? I would suggest going over to the common problems page an installing both the IOPCIFamily.kext and the IOUSBFamily.kext

i haved install IOPCIFamily.kext but the problem is the same , from what i haved seen from my last crached is that the cooler is the first thing that is stops and after that the display is getting black slower, is not like an ordinary shutdown, or force shutdown from the button.

Hi,I have an Inspiron 1525 that was running iDeneb 1.4 (10.5.6) perfectly fine. Now after trying the steps here for the 10.5.7 update, my wifi has stopped working (says no airport card installed and the broadcom package says it can’t install because a newer one is already installed). Also I have no functionality from my keyboard and trackpad, I have to use a usb keyboard and mouse right now. Any ideas?

For those that might want the functionality back, there is a PowerManagement.bundle that will work with VoodooBattery.kext, etc. that will provide the old 10.5.5 Battery functions. Tested and it works and plays fine with both Apple’s and Superhai’s components.

I’ll gladly provide it to Genaro to post to the site and provide whatever directions are necessary for install.

Here’s a look at what I’m referring to (I don’t know why Apple ever removed it in the first place!):

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marvellmv: If you do NOT want to run MAC OS X on your Inspiron 1525, PLEASE do nothing. This web site is not for Windows and you have wandered into the wrong place.

Genaro Bonilla:
If you will can you go over to my common problems page and try the sleep fix I’ve posted and tell me how that goes?
Do you have any other powermanagement kexts installed such as IntelEnhancedSpeedstep.kext? If so you have to remove it, in addition to this you have to clear your boot caches just incase anything is still loading. Try to download the GenericCPUMControl from http://www.superhai.com and check out if voodoopower.kext 1.2.3 is loaded.

I have tried the sleep fix you have described on that page.
Let me try to explain myself further. Sleep will work when plugged in AC power. However when I close the lid on battery power the laptop will go to sleep even after installing those kexts and repairing permissions etc.

I was just wondering if there was anything else I should look into to try and stop my laptop from sleeping when the lid is closed on battery power.

I have installed the dsdt.aml file and no longer have to do the sleep trick. Everything else seems to be ok.

The temp of my pc is typically between 40 to 70 celcius. It does seem cooler to the touch than vista.

My primary interest is fixing the sleep issue. Thanks, and your other information has been invaluable.

Mihail: I have deleted theI did removed the Intel EnhancedSpeedStep and AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement and installed the voodoopower.kext and the GenericCPUMControl (which actually indicated the CPU temperature),but no change, maybe it is because my processor is older version ? Mine is Intel Code2Duo T5750?

I have that same processor, the t5750 2.0 ghz 3gb ram 250gb hd x3100 graphics, no bluetooth.

Thank you very much for your help. InsomniaX is the solution that I was looking for.

I am assuming that when running OSX my dell will not auto shutdown when it hits a certain temperature like it does in Vista? Previously, my laptop would just shutdown out of the blue until I realized that there was a significant amount of dust buildup that needed to be cleared.

Just got my trackpad to work… it responds beautifully, including right and left clicking… but the tracking speed is stupid fast! Is there any way I can get a trackpad menu in the system settings? And how can I get the keyboard to work? That’s still completely inoperable.

Genaro Bonilla: What happened is that there are very specific instructions when updating your system from 10.5.3 up… so pretty much.. your installation is shot. Sorry to say, you will have to reformat.What kind of backups did you take?

Sorry about late answer (30 may, till now).
I had done somethings without reformatting. No backup taken. I cant backup because I dont have 2 partitions, and whatever I try, it says “source is busy”… Tried to DVD, flash usb pendrive… I have a laptop Dell Inspiron 1525 so I dont want to take off the disc to make a backup.

Anyway, the thing is, I tried to install 10.5.7 but same problem than 10.5.4, or whatever version of ComboUpdate. It dies in a specific part (may be randomly), 12% or 22% of installation.

So you say, there is a version 10.5.6 freshy install ? I read something about iPC ? do you recommend that? is it possible to go from Kalyway 10.5.3 to iPC 10.5.6 without format ?

And… do you recommend to backup everything and install iPC 10.5.6 and then 10.5.7 or try going to 10.5.7 through Kalyway 10.5.3 and taking care of everything blah blah …??

I am running 10.5.7 xxx distro. Recently I have been experiencing some unusual behaviour from osx. I find that every so often something will happen and the CPU activity goes to 100% and crashes my system. I can’t get force quit to come up, essentially everything locks up and I have to turn off the machine.

Does anyone have any clue what could possibly be causing this?
Would installing a retail version be more compatible and have less issues?

Well, in the process of trying different kexts to solve my sleep issue, and then finding out that dsdt.aml was the solution certain kexts were changed. At this point it would be kind of difficult to determine which one exactly is the culprit. I haven’t pinpointed this occurence to whether it occurs after returning from sleep or something else. I am trying to watch it but as of yet haven’t seen the pattern.

If you do post the retail guide for installation I would probably end up buying the DL DVD and doing it the “proper” way. Hopefully the retail install will make 10.6 install go smooth also.

One other question, is it a possible or even a good idea to dual boot win 7 and osx86 on the same hard drive?

Genaro Bonilla:
It’s possible but the problem with it is that a lot of times when you install windows 7 it will kill your ability to use chameleon and leaves you with having to use the Windows 7 bootloader to load osx. I believe there are a few ways around it…although I haven’t really read up on it too much. I used windows 7 and os x on my 1525 for a while but I reformatted recently to a retail install in hopes of getting the retail version up and running for everyone.I really liked windows 7 though, it was quite nice.

So, you are current running the retail osx on dell 1525? I assume you are also using the dsdt.aml?

My question to you was: Have you noticed any unusual behaviour or other issues when running this version of OSX? I intend on installing the retail once 10.6 is released.

I could think 2 things, but anyway I want to know Genaro thoughts.
First, it is a bit strange to have same error there, I am thinking about you are skipping disk verification and the disk is damaged.
Second, it wouldnt happen if the disk is not damage. But anyway, you could try backing up those folders (users and applications) to a dvd, pen drive or portable HD. And then format the entire disk and install it from 0. (then you can use 10.5.6 iPC), and restore your backup once finished making things work properly

hello i get this message when i try to do the prefpane trackpad
cp: /var/root/Desktop/Trackpad.prefPane: No such file or directory
sh-3.2#

10.5.8 anyone tried this yet?

Interesting.. & thanks for the up.

To be honest with you I’m thinking on maybe skipping this update as I read on the Apple site that this will be the last update before ’snow leopard’ is released. My Dell’s working a treat & even though I have a full back up I don’t feel like messing around to much – well that’s how I fell at the mo though lets see what tomorrow has in store!

10.5.8 after one day. As of now this is a good news and bad news story. The bad news, sleep/hibernate is not working. Using the 10.5.7 kernel and system.kext gives working sleep but that’s not a solution, that’s ugly.

The good news is that every thing else works more or less as before. USB appears to work at USB 2 speeds with the stock extensions. WiFi works with stock extensions although the led doesn’t turn on or off. Bluetooth on-off works with a quick plist edit (google for that). Ethernet requires a hex edit to give correct Mac address (google for that). Voodoo power and battery are as before and the latest VoodooPS2 keyboard and trackpad all work the same. AppleHDA has to be replaced with the edited one and HDAEnabler is of course required.

This leaves a stock /S/L/E other than HDA + the Voodoo stuff. I placed my edited 10.5.8 versions of the bluetooth and networking family extensions in /Extra and they ‘override’ the untouched versions in /S/L/E. The trackpad preference pane edit is the same as before (see the post on the voodoo forums). I think that covers it as of this moment, and my take on this is to recommend passing on this update for now. If you do decide to give a try please do a complete backup.

Sorry, forgot to say that you need to remove the Disabler extension to allow AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement to load. If this makes you uncomfortable, it should. Be careful!

Eitan: Boot with the -f -v flags and tell me what it says just before it stops.

Eitan: Hi,After updating to 10.5.8 my 1525 will only boot with -s to the command prompt..
help!!!!

Thanks for that Thomas.

I’m going to say this one more time. Thinking of updating to 10.5.8? Don’t. It would take a lot of time to support all the issues that go along with this update on this hardware. If you go ahead with this your asking for a world of hurt…

Hi,

My system is up and running once again, with 10.5.8. (-x after setup and restoring the kext files from the 10.5.7 package did the trick).
However, sleep\ hibernate are not working.
Any idea?

Oops forgot to remove the Disabler form the Extra directory..
sleep \ hibernate are working though I think the voodoo power gave a better battery duration time.

Eitan.

I made the upgrade to 10.5.8 but hibernate is not working and also time fix on dual boot Vista is not working. Its runnig hot also. There is a way to return to 10.5.7 without risk?

Jesús from Mex.

Thanks
Adding the VoodooPower back made it somewhat better.
You are absolutely right, this update doesn’t worth the risk and the time needed to restore the system to a working condition.

Thanks for the tips & the help!!
Eitan.

Freeburma: You can put the voodoopower extension back.It will help some.They do coexist fine.Eitan, you got lucky with this one (and you have skills and patience!).You must have had a relatively clean installation to start with.Many do not.There are wide spread reports of 1525’s and similar systems that end up requiring a reinstall from scratch.SO, everyone else, DO NOT take this one example as an indication to update.I have not experienced one thing with that is better or fixed over 10.5.7.On the contrary, it introduces additional problems that have to be dealt with AND your system will run hotter, the fan will be louder, your battery life will be shorter, it will boot slower, and a whole host of other more subtle issues.

Don’t !

After playing for 2 days with this update I ended up with a system that can’t shutdown (OpenHaltRestart will not help)
If I could I would have restored 10.5.7 without any hesitation

Eitan.

Hi,

Here is my address : Noyasoft@gmail.com
Hw is outsource 1525 along with BT and no built in camera.
Is it possible to install directly from the retail CD?
I’ve long though of buying this OS as I truly think it’s worth the price, though as far as I know Apple binded the OS license to their Hardware so I’m not sure if I’ll be a legitimate customer after having purchased the retail CD.

Let’s continue this over the e-mail

Eitan.

Freeburma: Hi, what I would recommend to those who have updated to and want to go back is a reinstall of RETAIL 10.5.6 -> 10.5.7.Eitan, do you want to give this a go?If so, leave a comment with a throw away email address and your hardware configuration, I’ll contact you and we’ll work through it.You’ll need to backup everything first (music, documents, all your stuff), get a retail dvd, and some re-writable CD’s or DVD’s.After, maybe you could leave an accounting of how it went, help someone else and well, you get the idea.We all learn something and the community becomes stronger.I don’t have a ton of time, but if we could find a couple/three hours (and deal with time zone diffs) uninterrupted I think we can get this done.

Nevermind that, i got it working again… But now it feels really sluggy to move, if you know what i mean :S

FreeBurma,

Nice work on creating a new DSDT.aml to work along with AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement.kext. But, have to agree, 10.5.8 is not worth the effort considering the effort is best put into 10.6 right now — as I have about a little time as you do.

I did want to ask you a question though since you went there — to 10.5.8, that is. When you did, did you find ANYWAY to have the Energy Saver prefPane retain and ‘Battery’ related settings? I was only able to get the 1525 to see that it was on the Power Adapter regardless of it actually being on AC and/or Battery. There was no method of replacing prefPanes, PM bundles, patched AppleSMBIOS.kext’s, etc. that I could find to fix this. I got my sleep to work perfect by just installing the 9.7 kernel on 10.5.8, and thought that might bring my Energy Saver settings back, but alas they were still gone.

I have since dropped back to a 10.5.7 backup. And again, I’ll stay there until I have time to put into installing 10.6 — if and when I ever get the time.

Thanks for any feedback on your experiences regarding the above though. I see that a lot of people had the exact same issues, but VERY FEW that actually every got a solid solution to work for them. Again, I just want to confirm *someone* else saw what I did and if it was correctable, how.

‘Presh.

– Dave

FreeBurma: Concerning the 10.5.8 update.I have been able to get everything including sleep to work.Sleep required a patch to dsdt.aml to allow the use of AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement.kext without a KP.Of course there is no speed stepping out of the box with this.More on that later.For those who have already made the plunge, go over to extremely mac, search out the dsdt patcher (1.0.1e) and run it with the -newHPET flag.Install the resultant dsdt.aml, remove voodoopower extension, and install the AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement extension. I also needed to install the OpenHaltRestart extension.That should get you on your way…Of course, you may also brick your system… You’ve been warned!For the moment I’m standing by my statement that this update is not worth the trouble.

Freeburma: Hi, what I would recommend to those who have updated to 10.5.8 and want to go back is a reinstall of RETAIL 10.5.6 -> 10.5.7.Eitan, do you want to give this a go?If so, leave a comment with a throw away email address and your hardware configuration, I’ll contact you and we’ll work through it.You’ll need to backup everything first (music, documents, all your stuff), get a retail dvd, and some re-writable CD’s or DVD’s.After, maybe you could leave an accounting of how it went, help someone else and well, you get the idea.We all learn something and the community becomes stronger.I don’t have a ton of time, but if we could find a couple/three hours (and deal with time zone diffs) uninterrupted I think we can get this done.

Wolfer: FreeBurma,Nice work on creating a new DSDT.aml to work along with AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement.kext.But, have to agree, 10.5.8 is not worth the effort considering the effort is best put into 10.6 right now — as I have about a little time as you do.I did want to ask you a question though since you went there — to 10.5.8, that is.When you did, did you find ANYWAY to have the Energy Saver prefPane retain and ‘Battery’ related settings?I was only able to get the 1525 to see that it was on the Power Adapter regardless of it actually being on AC and/or Battery.There was no method of replacing prefPanes, PM bundles, patched AppleSMBIOS.kext’s, etc. that I could find to fix this.I got my sleep to work perfect by just installing the 9.7 kernel on 10.5.8, and thought that might bring my Energy Saver settings back, but alas they were still gone.I have since dropped back to a 10.5.7 backup.And again, I’ll stay there until I have time to put into installing 10.6 — if and when I ever get the time.Thanks for any feedback on your experiences regarding the above though.I see that a lot of people had the exact same issues, but VERY FEW that actually every got a solid solution to work for them.Again, I just want to confirm *someone* else saw what I did and if it was correctable, how.‘Presh.– Dave

Wolfer/Dave: I have been using the Voodoobattery extension and that works as well as any solution I am aware of. My energy saver preference panel has both A/C and battery settings and works as I would expect. The one issue is that when returning to A/C from battery the time remaining to fully charged sticks at 10 hours and does not update until the battery is fully charged.

DSDT patching/modifications remain a great mystery to me. I can run the “automated” patchers and get something useful but that’s the extent of my expertise. I’ve been messing around with editing mine to enable “clamshell” sleep with no positive results. I’d also like to do the “patch” that I have heard about to enable our sound device, but I have failed! If anyone has had any luck with these please clue us in on the secret (post the code and some words on how you got it to work).

ZoharXero:
You can try this http://www.osx86.es/?p=563 (site is in spanish only) this fix allows native stepping on intel laptops, it neeeds patched dsdt with-newHPET flag and AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement.kext.I tested it in 10.5.7 retail, and worked pretty well.For install just download the leopard version, copy smbios.plist to /Extra and Legacy ACPI_SMC_PlatformPlugin.kext to /Extra/Extensions folder. Both have values of a MacbookAir1,1, is recommended to edit them to a closer profile to your hardware, i think for dell 1525 will be macbookpro3,1.
To make sure is working open ioregistry explorer inlcuded on the zip and search for entry
ACPI_SMC_Platformplugin, if shows 0×0 value means is working, CoolBook and Hardware Monitor also show stepping.
All the credits is for Evosx86team.

ZoharXero: Thanks for that. It’s very interesting. I was able to get P-State switching to work loading this plist only extension from /Extra. However, when this is loaded from the /Extra folder it does fail because of a dependency (but apparently not completely). This is VERY specific to your CPU model. The 1525 has shipped with many different CPU types spanning three or four major CPU families. Mine is a Core 2 duo T5450 (yea, low end!). When I loaded this from /S/L/E so as to get it to load completely it caused a UI server crash on boot. This is because it tried to set the C-State of the X3100 video controller. That works nicely on a real MacBook3,1 or Macbook Air1,1 but not so well on our 1525’s.

I do understand the purpose for this patch (after comparing it to the “stock” plist the X.5.8 ACPI_SMC_Platformplugin.kext) and how it might save you from a DSDT.aml patch, but I don’t see the purpose of it to only do P-States control. Voodoopower does that perfectly and is rock solid. It also comes with a monitoring app if you use the full version not the mini version.

Power management is a big topic, a good place to start is here: ‘http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=420&pgno=0′. This is a VERY simple overview but interesting nonetheless.

Im worried about updating to 10.5.7 i have an external HD around 160Gb but i have a ton of info on it. I wanna back up using Time Machine but it asks to reformat the HD. I cant do that. And I dont wanna take the risk of updating and something going wrong. Can anyone be of any help reassuring me?

@Rod: try booting with the flag -x